Kullervo recently referred to the term “earth-based religion” as “bullshit rhetoric.” I think that what he means by that is that it’s a term that gets used thoughtlessly without a whole lot of reflection as to what it might mean. I asked him if that was actually what he meant, and he confirmed that and added the observation that he saw the term used most often as a code-phrase for other practices and beliefs that had no direct connection to being “Earth-based.” This mirrors my comment to Ruby Sara on her post on the same topic, that “people… seem to think it means something like recycling and keeping a compost heap.” One can do those things – or be a vegan, or a pacificist, or an eco-feminist, as Kullervo says – without practicing an Earth-based religion. He is right that none of these things are inherently “Earth-based”, and one can do and be none of them and still practice Earth-based religion. It sometimes leads people to those places, but just as often it doesn’t. Two people could both sincerely and profoundly experience their religion as Earth-based and come to completely different conclusions about pacifism or veganism, but then I could say the same thing about two Christians.
One of the reasons I haven’t written about it before is that I don’t feel qualified to say “This is what it really means!” I can’t speak for anyone else who uses the term. I could go on about what it means to me to practice an earth-based religion, but that doesn’t speak for what it means to anyone else. As Pagans, we use vague and undefined terms amongst each other all the time with the assumption that everyone else in the conversation has come to their own conclusions about meaning. That’s part of how this religion is – you have to reach your own epiphanies and understanding is not supplied in advance. One weakness of that is that it’s possible to have widely varying understandings of the same term or practice, and yet to still share that vocabulary and practice. That’s the basic problem of orthopraxy over orthodoxy – there is no authority to tell us what it all really means; we just have to figure it out for ourselves. For someone who wants to understand but isn’t committed to or interested in doing the work of coming to a personal understanding, this could be frustrating and puzzling. From that perspective, it could all look very superficial and like, um, bullshit. The only explanations that can be offered to that perspective are the superficial ones, and it would be hard for someone who doesn’t already value the work that others have done to do the work themselves – you have to already believe that there is something there to go looking for it, and you’re not going to go looking for it if you’ve already decided it’s bullshit. My thoughts on the “earth-based” term are a product of my own understanding and if they still sound shallow, that’s the fault of my lack of ability to translate mystical understanding into English. Or, as Terry Pratchett put it, “… we are trying to understand the fundamental workings of the universe via a language devised for telling one another where the best fruit is.”
I do a little internal shudder when I hear people talking about finding the sacred in Nature as though Nature means, I don’t know, the woods or something. Nature as the thing over there beyond the paved roads and the shops, on the other side of the river from the power plant, past the garden fence… I love wild places. I hear the voices of the gods out in those wild places better than I hear them anywhere else, and I assume that is what people mean when they talk like that. I appreciate that others feel this way, too, but it still bothers me to hear Nature spoken of as Other. There are ecosystems in your carpet, in your gut, in your lawn, on your desk – there is no cubic centimeter of anything anywhere that is not Nature. You can find the sacred Earth without leaving your couch, and I think that understanding is the core of an Earth-based practice
While thinking about it in an idle sort of way, I put the term into Google to see where it led. I got two types of results: ones pertaining to modern Pagan religions and ones pertaining to astronomy. Earth-based telescopes are the ones we have here on the ground – they look out into the stars but are solidly Earthbound. The other kinds are in orbit. In terms of astronomy, I understand the need to differentiate, but the orbital telescopes look as solidly Earth-based in an absolute sense as the ones on the ground. They are still tied to the Earth through the reins of gravity and all of their materials came from the flesh of the Earth, just as our bodies do. Even the probes we send off into space are Earth-based – none of their flesh comes from anywhere else and their signals all get sent back here. Unless we start living on other planets, that can’t be any different – and even then, we are Earth-bound, Earth-based creatures bringing the flesh of our planet with us wherever we go. This is who and what we are. Every atom of our flesh, everything we touch, and everything we do is very literally Earth-based. This is a basic truth of human existence, and recognizing this fact as holy is what it means for a religion to be “earth-based.”
We explicitly affirm the Earth as sacred. Flesh is Earth, bones are Earth, plants are Earth, dirt is Earth. So is plastic and metal and concrete. Holiness is not located somewhere else – it’s here, within our own bodies and within everything we touch and breathe and sense. That’s where it all starts and where it all ends.
Since all of the Earth is holy and we are all of the Earth, this can start to sound like pantheism, and I suppose it can be. Ruby Sara notes this, and for some people that is where it leads. I think I part ways with the pantheists, though, in that I do not see the Earth-that-is-holy as a god. I know the gods, or at least some parts of some of them, and they are not the same as the All that we are all part of. They too are part of it. I cannot say that Hekate and the Earth are of the same class of being. They are not. I can’t call the Earth a god – it is the base, it is the ground, it is the matrix in which we all move, but it is simply not the same type of thing as those I experience as gods.
My deities, the ones I experience, are chthonic – they are of the Underworld, they exist in the layer of existence that lies underneath the surface of embodied reality. My religion is earth-based because it finds the locus of the sacred in the flesh of Nature, in the very fabric of materiality, and my gods are chthonic because they exist within the structure of the fabric. I suppose that is what it means, to me in any case, to be a polytheist – there are multiple deities, they exist outside of the self, and they are limited. My gods are not omniscient, omnipresent, or even omnibenevolent – they aren’t omni- or pan- anything. Even the gods of the sky and stars are Earth-based, as the sky is as much of the Earth as the oceans or the continents, and the stars we experience only from the perspective of the Earth (space-based telescopes and probes notwithstanding, we have yet to see the other side of Orion – for that matter, there is no other side of Orion, since the constellations only exist from an Earth-based perspective – the stars only appear close together because of our relative positions.) The star goddess looks down to us here on Earth – if she didn’t, we would never know her.
While I have been recently reassured that people do indeed read long blog posts (thanks to everyone who responded so kindly to my fishing attempt) I think this needs to be continued in another post. More to come!
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February 24, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Hm, at first I got pissed off with the phrase “bullshit rhetoric”; but I’m pretty sure that was the intended reaction, so obviously being the ornery wench I am I had to stop to understand. I *think* I can see what he is meaning, and I can understand his protest. I don’t agree with it, but I also don’t feel the need to respond to him/his idea, mainly because he pissed me off.
However, that being said, you said a couple of things that I find interesting and will toss my hat into the ring.
I think you are spot-on with the vagaries of Pagan language, and I agree that it can very much be baffling to people who either have not had, nor have pursued their own religious understanding and experiences. I know several occasions that you and I have been discussing things and had to come up with operational definitions within the conversations, and, freak that I am, *I like that*. I like that your experiences are equally as valid as mine, and that they’re different. It is very hard sometimes for my dear friend Meme because both of us have valid and different views, and it seems sometimes that he gets caught in which is the right one. It’s a dessert topping! No, it’s a floor wax! Wait – You’re BOTH right! :p Sorry, kinda tangenty there.
In some fashion people saying “Earth based” may be trying to make the point that it is not “big-reward/man/being in the sky based”. And I very much agree with your assessment and dislike of the occasional use of the word Nature. What is not-Nature? It sometimes still delights and boggles my wee brain that the slow dance around the sun is Nature. The cool comety things in the Kuiper belt that probably brought our rock the water that let stuff grow on it is Nature. Us stoopid humans messing with the ecosystem are natural, but acting not necessarily in Nature’s best interests, although I don’t think she’s really going to care much if we wipe ourselves out.
I really love and am grateful that all of this is Nature, although that might sound weird.
I would have to say that my perception of my deity is Earth-based because I can perceive no other way – I was built here. But the deity in question is Universal rather than Earthly. I always kind of thought of her as the kindly lab tech monitoring this giant experiment. She is omnipresent because the universe is pretty much made up of her/it. This runs parallel to the everything is Earth based therefore everything is holy idea expressed. Everything is star stuff, bits of universe, therefore everything is holy. (The female aspect is so I can interface more easily with it.) It’s kind of like the Self that is put forth in the Upanishads. I don’t know what that thing *is*, so I call it Mom, because all things come from it and will eventually go to it.
Super extra bonus points for using the word chthonic, by the way.
February 24, 2010 at 8:27 pm
“As Pagans, we use vague and undefined terms amongst each other all the time with the assumption that everyone else in the conversation has come to their own conclusions about meaning.”
Hmm. I think this is actually one of the things that bothers me most in trying to talk with other Pagans sometimes. I am a strong believer in the (causal) connection between thought/understanding and language, and in my experience vague and undefined terms are almost always an indication of vague and undefined ideas… and I don’t just mean a variety of definitions amongst groups of people who haven’t bothered to iron out the philosophical details. I mean a general lack of definition even for oneself, so that one ends up using words as clichés or catch-alls that possess no real meaning whatsoever, and that serve as a substitute for self-awareness and the challenge of rigorous contemplation.
Part of Paganism (some of it, at least) being an earth-based spirituality means, to me, that it is embodied, and the sacredness of the flesh extends to the sacredness of the senses and of sensorial/sensuous experience as that which connects and interweaves my flesh with the flesh and form of the world. So I understand that someone who deeply lives an earth-based spirituality may sometimes feel that mere words and ideas are inadequate as an expression of that life. And yet, plenty of folks persist in speaking in vague, abstract terms based on common (and often vague or even absent) assumptions. This seems like a have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too scenario (except in reverse?), and I’m baffled, and honestly annoyed, by folks who insist that only experience/emotion are adequate expressions of earth-based spirituality, and yet do not make any attempt to provoke or express experience or emotion in their discussions. Vague terms are not only useless to the intellect, they’re also flimsy and weak and lacking in provocative power and emotional impact. You say:
“For someone who wants to understand but isn’t committed to or interested in doing the work of coming to a personal understanding, this could be frustrating and puzzling.”
I often feel the same about folks who resort to the “words aren’t enough” justification too frequently when pressed for more detailed or complex answers that go beyond unexamined community-enforced assumptions. Often, it seems to me they’re not interested in doing the work of authentic personal expression, and they become puzzled or even frustrated and defensive with people who are committed to such work and have come to an understanding of its power both emotionally and intellectually.
This is, incidentally, why I appreciate so greatly Druidry’s emphasis on poetry, music, art and aesthetics as a vital aspect of the spiritual life; it is through art that “mere words” can transcend both vagueness and intellectualism and become something more, take on a life of their own that can communicate a richness of experience. And this is also why I like Ruby Sara’s writing so much, and why I enjoyed this post: in the face of difficult language, instead of throwing up your hands and resting satisfied with inadequate and vague terms, you delve into metaphor, description and the aid of concrete sensory details. Where prose fails, you turn to poetry. If more Pagans rose to that challenge, I think our self-understanding (as individuals and as a community) would be deeper even without resorting to complex philosophical definitions or restrictive orthodoxy.
February 24, 2010 at 8:31 pm
P.S. Forgot to mention, I’m looking forward to reading the rest of your thoughts!
February 24, 2010 at 8:42 pm
I’m a pantheist and I don’t see Earth as ‘a god’ either.
Actually, I don’t have any gods. None have spoken to me (that I know of). I’m hopefully waiting though.
Pantheism means something along the lines that ‘all that is, is God.’ So I suppose, from that perspective, that not only am I God and you are God, but the gods are God too.
February 24, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Nettle, I definitely think you are talking about something earth based.
What I object to, viscerally and in no uncertain terms, is when “earth-based” or “nature-based” is used to mean or stand for stances that amount to human exceptionalism: the idea that human behavior is for some moral reason obligated to follow a course that is substantively different from what we observe unfolding in nature. Human exceptionalism is not earth-based; it is the antithesis of earth based.
Maybe we should be vegan pacifist ecofeminists. Maybe morality and ethical behavior demands it. But if that’s the case, it’s not earth-based. It certainly is not derived from anything we observe in nature, and arrogantly assuming that we should behave differently from the rest of nature as if we were somehow set apart from nature certainly does not honor nature; it denies nature.
February 24, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Kullervo,
I agree with what Nettle said on this one: although perhaps veganism, feminism and pacifism may not be inherently “earth-based” they are certainly not the antithesis of it, either. I consider myself “earth-based” in no uncertain terms and spend much of my time talking about (and practicing ways in which) pacifism and vegetarianism are informed by my experiences of earth-based spirituality as well as my careful observation of nature.
For instance, to assume that, despite our biology and closest non-human ancestors (described by scientists as the “peaceful, free-love apes”), we should mimic aggressive carnivores is to me precisely a sign not just of human exceptionalism, but the influence of “civilizing” influences such as our role in domesticating other animals, proclaiming ourselves “top of the food chain,” and making ownership claims over pieces of land (and then defending them through organized warfare charged with highly symbolic cultural concepts).
I can appreciate that opinions on this will differ… but I think it’s a step too far to say that environmentalism, feminism and pacifism are inherently anti-earth-based.
February 25, 2010 at 11:37 am
I’ve always brushed off the “Nature/earth-based” arguments as too complex and connotation-laden unless a person trying to argue with those terms was ‘really serious’ about making me see his/her way. Generally speaking, in my mind Wren put it most elegantly with her big dude in the sky comment. “Earth based is something more pantheistic and not OtherGod-in-Heaven”.
As for Holy and sacred and nature, that’s yet another huge, HUGE topic, but I agree totally with Nettle. It’s all Nature.
I see the disconnect as trying to artificially bridge the gap between Religion and Spirituality, which are again connotation-laden words for me. Religion is the trappings and community of faith. Spirituality is the personal relationship with what you consider Divine.
Regarding the Sacred/Holy, consider a treasured gift from a favorite relative. It holds value, and Sacredness beyond it’s pure material worth, but the reasons for that value are in your own heart. It’s you-based value. Likewise, everything in the universe is Sacred, partially by merely existing and being part of this wonderful Universe, and mainly because it exists in this wonderful Universe-that-includes-you.
Nettle probably said it much better than that analogy, but I see Earth-based in the same way. It’s all earth-based, unless you are trying to consider something absolutely limited to some “Other realm” like Heaven, which doesn’t exist in my own worldview as a separate and non-earthly concept. That is a paradigm I just can’t quite wrap my head around though, so it’s hard to explain.
February 25, 2010 at 12:28 pm
wow, thanks for all the fantastic comments – I have such great readers!
Wren – initially it pissed me off a little bit, too, because it felt like an important and profound aspect of my world-view was being tossed in the trash, but when I thought a little further about what he was actually saying, I realized that I kind of agreed with him – in terms of the way people talk about it, anyway. I think that once the question “what does it mean for a religion to be earth-based, anyway?” gets asked, it’s really hard not to answer it. So I’m grateful that Kullervo asked the question and totally over being annoyed with the way he asked it. Plus he gave me an attention-grabbing opening for my own post.
Ali – I too love that art is explicitly a part of druidry – if you don’t have some means of expressing yourself in complex ways, you can’t share anything complicated, and that’s very sad. I often wonder if the people who sound shallow to me are actually just impaired in some way when it comes to expressing themselves – I screw it up all the time and say things wrong, so I try to give people the benefit of the doubt when I can. I think it’s possible to come to very profound understandings without having the language to express them – some things happen without words and finding words for them can be excruciatingly hard and end up not being what you meant in the first place.
Kullervo, “observing nature” is more of that language I was talking about that sets my teeth on edge. Pretty much since recorded history, we’ve been disagreeing on things like what organisms are OK to eat, how the sexes should relate to each other, when the use of violence is appropriate – we come up with big complex arguments to justify whatever our points of view happen to be – this seems to be a widespread human activity. So, from my observation of nature, disagreeing about things like this is pretty natural. The point is, we don’t “observe” nature – we are nature. It’s the lion’s nature to hunt zebras, it’s the wolf’s nature to run around in packs, it’s the ant’s nature to live in anthills, and it’s the human’s nature to argue about sex, violence, and lunch.
Ali, totally off-topic and I don’t really want to get into the food conversation again, but who are these non-human ancestors you’re talking about? Out of curiousity I looked up what we know about the diets of hominids, and meat-eating seems to be pretty well-established behavior among our ancestors. But then you mentioned apes, so I thought you meant our relatives? but chimps hunt and eat meat, too. So as I said, not interested in getting back into that conversation but curious as to who these scientists are who talk about “free-love apes,” and who those apes are.
Kay – that’s a good point you bring up about pantheism – and I love the diagram in your post. (Wren, I think you’d like this – go here: http://ephemeralthoughts.com/2010/02/24/as-a-pantheist-my-focus-is-on/ )I kind of want to say more to that, but I might go over and do it on your blog instead. I am now feeling interested in the fact that I can describe my religion as “Earth-based” without also relating to the Earth as God. Perhaps it comes down to different operating definitions.
February 25, 2010 at 2:54 pm
I would assume that Ali is referring to the bonobo… but while they are largely fruit-eaters, they do also eat smaller mammals.
February 25, 2010 at 3:12 pm
I thought of that as a possibility, too, Erik, and wondered if I was misinformed on bonobo diets – so I looked for recent research and found some fairly gruesome descriptions of bonobos hunting in packs. So I’m hoping for some clarification there.
February 25, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Nettle and Eric, Yes, I was talking about the bonobo and gorilla. A study published this past fall (and I can’t for the life of me find the link now) regarding the most recently found “oldest specimen” of our pre-homo sapiens ancestor says that various biological indicators seemed to suggest we were much more closely related to bonobos and gorillas than to chimpanzees. And while meat does play a very small role in their diet (something like 3%, I think), my understanding was that it was mostly in the form of insects (that while bonobos may occasionally eat small mammals when the opportunity arises, they do not actually hunt as such).
In any case, Jeff has been developing this pet theory of his that the reason we as humans tend to identify with the carnivores is because, by domesticating the wild dog and breeding it for obedience (as just one example), we have come to see ourselves as natural “top dogs” ourselves and identify more with carnivorous behavior despite our actually biology. It’s an interesting theory, anyway, but for me what it comes down to is being very careful not to mistake “this feels easy” and “it’s what everyone does” to “it’s the most natural.” Most of the time, from Day One we live along with everyone we know in a “civilized” culture that has shaped and bred us to behave in very specific ways. Now, arguably, this itself is an aspect of nature and human nature…. but it also means that just because my first impulse might be to drop a bomb on the country that’s threatening mine doesn’t mean this is because my “nature” demands it of me. We can acknowledge that culture is an aspect of nature and still understand that it’s in the nature of culture to change (and that we can actively participate in shaping that change without this being “anti-earth-based”).
February 25, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Nettle, just saw your #10 response… really?! I’m really surprised by that, as it goes against everything I’ve heard. Do you have a link? I know the relative “peacefulness” of the bonobo is up for debate, as is most everything in the scientific community, but from what I’ve heard they’ve never been observed to hunt in packs and that this is something that makes them particularly distinct from chimpanzees… Hmm.
February 25, 2010 at 3:49 pm
Ali –
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20026784.400-freelove-bonobos-are-vicious-hunters.html (short and to the point)
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(08)01117-2 (this is the one the New Scientist short refers to)
http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?doi=10.1159/000110679
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/121543963/abstract
Bonobos hunt. our hominid ancestors hunted. we hunt. humans hunted before they partnered up with dogs.
[forcibly resisting getting myself back into the food conversation... will shut up now.]
February 25, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Here’s one reference… a Google search on “bonobo hunting” turns up others.
February 25, 2010 at 3:51 pm
So doing some digging, the only references to bonobo group hunting I was able to find are all based on a single study that came out in Ocotber 2008, which was the first time any bonobos were ever observed to hunt other primates in groups. Fair enough, though I’d argue that what we know about primates’ ability to adapt to changing environmental pressures and adopt learned skills, a single study isn’t necessarily conclusive or enough to overturn all the previous work… Still, keeping my ear to the ground on that one. Either way, I still stand by my point about shaping culture as an aspect of human nature, which doesn’t rely on the bonobo/gorilla argument (though that was such a nice point to be able to bring up :-p).
February 25, 2010 at 4:00 pm
… and you all posted while I was gathering my sources.
Ali, I agree that shaping culture is an important aspect of human nature, which is why I think the question of whether bonobos hunt, or even whether we are biologically suited for meat-eating, is irrelevant to the question of “who it’s ok to eat.”
February 25, 2010 at 4:11 pm
Shoot, missed your responses again!
Yes, Nettle, those were all the same articles I found and, with the exception of the one, they are all in reference to the same October 2008 study. The May 2007 study was done by at least one of the same scientists, based on observations of the same group of bonobos in the same national park in the Congo (and, it seems likely according to their abstracts, using some of the same data).
Now I don’t mean to be so skeptical about this, but I have several friends who work in academic research in various scientific fields, and knowing them and listening to them complain about the internal politics, I wouldn’t be surprised if these studies were done specifically with the purpose in mind of finding evidence of bonobo hunting, precisely because it is contrary to the common understanding and so more likely to make a splash and earn grant money. Not to say they’re being dishonest, but like I said in my previous comment, observing apparently rare behavior in the present doesn’t automatically mean we can draw the conclusion that this is (a) typical and (b) has always been so. The May 2007 study abstract even states that “our observations confirm that solitary and terrestrial ungulates are the major prey,” indicating that even within this study group-hunting of other primates is the exception.
But now I’ve gone off on the relative merits of the scientific community.
And I see that you already posted in response to the important point, which as you said earlier, it’s not only about “observing nature” but “being nature” ourselves, and looking to other animals can’t necessarily tell us how to be human (which, despite some arguing from others that admitting this means we’re practicing “exceptionalism”, we definitely are
).
February 25, 2010 at 4:14 pm
(Can I just say: I really love being able to hash out ideas like this with other intelligent folks without hackles being raised or offense being taken. It always leaves me feeling better informed and appreciative of the work others are doing to think deeply and live meaningfully. Thanks, guys! You rock!
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February 25, 2010 at 4:21 pm
That is a cool post.
Thanks for pointing it out to me!
February 25, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Wren, I thought that would be right up your alley.
Ali, agreed! and the only reason I’m forcibly restraining myself from going off on a huge (well, huger, anyway) tangent with you is because I don’t have the time or energy to actually get into these issues right now, not because I don’t think it would be interesting to have another ride on that particular carousel with you.
I notice that Thorn Coyle’s latest podcast is on “Earth-based? Are we really?” (http://www.thorncoyle.com/podcasts.html) so it seems I’m rolling right along with the zeitgeist. Haven’t listened yet but I will before I finish the rest of this post.
February 27, 2010 at 7:19 am
I *knew* I would have something to say on this eventually… my brain isn’t working as fast as it used to.
Perhaps the problem is at least partly one of terminology?
You say, My religion is earth-based because it finds the locus of the sacred in the flesh of Nature, in the very fabric of materiality… and yet you just spent a lot of words explaining why all religion (and everything else) is Earth-based by definition because it’s impossible to be anything else.
I also find the terms “Earth-based” and especially “Nature-based” somewhat problematic, and suggest the term “Earth-centered” is more accurate as it describes the focus of attention and is, I think, what most people actually mean when they use the term. (Personally, I prefer “Nature-centered”, which is actually probably closer to an adequate descriptor since it explicitly encompasses the totality of the universe, not just our little ball of dirt.)
That still leaves the question of whether one’s path *is* Nature-centered; mine is partially so, but also partially Theoi-centric, sometimes focused on their chthonic aspects and sometimes not.
March 1, 2010 at 9:56 pm
One of your best points in this excellent post is that “Nature” is not necessarily the bucolic wilderness in the back country. From my experience, “Nature” is not particularly benevolent, which is why I agree with you that deities are of and within another dimension.
March 2, 2010 at 3:26 pm
Erik – I keep thinking about what you say here: “You say, My religion is earth-based because it finds the locus of the sacred in the flesh of Nature, in the very fabric of materiality… and yet you just spent a lot of words explaining why all religion (and everything else) is Earth-based by definition because it’s impossible to be anything else.” and am not sure how to respond to it except by saying “yes, and?” which doesn’t seem all that polite. You’re right, I’m making a claim to truth here – the truth is that we are all earth-based, regardless of whether we recognize it or not. Those of other religious persuasions might argue that and claim it’s not the truth.
There are those who would make the truth-claim that the world was created in seven days by an omniscient father god – they believe this literally. I don’t. From that perspective, I am simply wrong and the world is not the way I think it is. So I can think all I want that we are all deeply embedded in the matrix of the Earth and make all sorts of esoteric claims related to that, and believe that nobody gets out of that relationship – just as a Christian might believe that no one gets out of having a relationship with the Christian god and that whatever relationship we have to the Earth is irrelevant in the face of that. We are both making a claim to the truth. One of us is wrong.
Unless you meant something else? I feel like I’m not really following you.
March 2, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Sorry, I was just leading in to the suggestion of “Earth-centered” as a better descriptor… no deeper meaning. My point was simply that if you’re saying (correctly, I believe) that calling something “Earth-based” is actually a tautology, then a better term is called for.
I thought that would be apparent from the context, but apparently not.
I’ll try to be clearer next time!
March 3, 2010 at 11:23 am
Erik, I’m probably just really dense. I get it now, thanks for the clarification!